Comments on: Saving Time and Money with SaaS for EDA http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/ From an EDA marketing insider Fri, 01 Jul 2011 18:17:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Daniel Payne http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Daniel Payne Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:19:52 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-537 Chris, Some SaaS talk at DAC: http://theasicguy.com/2009/08/16/dac-theme-3-increasing-clouds-over-sf-bay/ http://www.registerbits.com/dac-eda-times-a-changin http://www.xuropa.com/blog/2009/07/23/xuropa-at-design-automation-conference/ http://www.meetup.com/SaaS-Electronic-Design-Meetup-Group/boards/thread/7191698/ Daniel Chris,

Some SaaS talk at DAC:
http://theasicguy.com/2009/08/16/dac-theme-3-increasing-clouds-over-sf-bay/
http://www.registerbits.com/dac-eda-times-a-changin
http://www.xuropa.com/blog/2009/07/23/xuropa-at-design-automation-conference/
http://www.meetup.com/SaaS-Electronic-Design-Meetup-Group/boards/thread/7191698/

Daniel

]]> By: Chris http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-536 Chris Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:37:49 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-536 Daniel, I didn't make DAC this year. Was there much talk of SaaS for EDA at the conference? If so what was the prevailing opinion? Chris Daniel,

I didn’t make DAC this year. Was there much talk of SaaS for EDA at the conference? If so what was the prevailing opinion?

Chris

]]> By: Daniel Payne http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-535 Daniel Payne Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:55:50 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-535 Chris, The smaller EDA companies publish clear pricing in their news releases and at their web sites (Altium, Tanner EDA, OrCAD, etc.), while the larger companies take an overly defensive position and cloak their pricing. Pricing transparency is a virtue. Daniel Chris,

The smaller EDA companies publish clear pricing in their news releases and at their web sites (Altium, Tanner EDA, OrCAD, etc.), while the larger companies take an overly defensive position and cloak their pricing.

Pricing transparency is a virtue.

Daniel

]]> By: Chris http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-534 Chris Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:34:34 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-534 I agree. To build significant momentum around SaaS for EDA I think there needs to be open dialog around the economic model & pricing for different types of workload profiles. Chris I agree. To build significant momentum around SaaS for EDA I think there needs to be open dialog around the economic model & pricing for different types of workload profiles.

Chris

]]> By: Daniel Payne http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-533 Daniel Payne Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:13:32 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-533 Chris, The only way to get a quote is from a Cadence account manager, or some anonymous Cadence user. For reasons of paranoia and security the folks at Cadence keep all pricing secret instead of just publishing it - I think that's a marketing mistake. Daniel Chris,
The only way to get a quote is from a Cadence account manager, or some anonymous Cadence user. For reasons of paranoia and security the folks at Cadence keep all pricing secret instead of just publishing it – I think that’s a marketing mistake.
Daniel

]]> By: Chris http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-532 Chris Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:09:35 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-532 Daniel, I want to follow up on David's comment re. the business model. Can you share some details of the basic cost structure of CDS' hosted solutions offerings? For instance do they have a $/CPU-hr approach for a customer that might want to offload DRC, LVS & OPC jobs to them or are they looking to roll services into every deal? For potential customers with existing licenses & compute infrastructure to be compelled by this I think there needs to be a easily understandable cost structure that will make the value propoition compelling to both engineering & finance. Chris Daniel,

I want to follow up on David’s comment re. the business model. Can you share some details of the basic cost structure of CDS’ hosted solutions offerings? For instance do they have a $/CPU-hr approach for a customer that might want to offload DRC, LVS & OPC jobs to them or are they looking to roll services into every deal? For potential customers with existing licenses & compute infrastructure to be compelled by this I think there needs to be a easily understandable cost structure that will make the value propoition compelling to both engineering & finance.

Chris

]]> By: Daniel Payne http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-414 Daniel Payne Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:38:08 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-414 Scott, I agree that CDN is showing reduced revenue plans for 2009 compared to 2008, Magma is even more tenuous, Mentor seems to be treading water, and SNPS is the strongest financially. The only way for SaaS to work for the EDA companies is if the deals are all incremental, and would not have happened with the old pricing. Scott, I agree that CDN is showing reduced revenue plans for 2009 compared to 2008, Magma is even more tenuous, Mentor seems to be treading water, and SNPS is the strongest financially. The only way for SaaS to work for the EDA companies is if the deals are all incremental, and would not have happened with the old pricing.

]]> By: Scott Bloom http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-413 Scott Bloom Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:03:56 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-413 Hasnt this been tried before by both MGC and SNPS? MGC had the DesignWide group, Synopsys had the distributed software flow. THere was a startup that crashed and burned out of portland based on this as well.. (blanking on the name) With all the money woes of the CEOs at the big three, where they talk about getting more out of the IC design flow, why in reality do we think they will truely start a cheaper way to get the same results? Hasnt this been tried before by both MGC and SNPS?

MGC had the DesignWide group, Synopsys had the distributed software flow. THere was a startup that crashed and burned out of portland based on this as well.. (blanking on the name)

With all the money woes of the CEOs at the big three, where they talk about getting more out of the IC design flow, why in reality do we think they will truely start a cheaper way to get the same results?

]]> By: Daniel http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-354 Daniel Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:26:09 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-354 David, EDA SaaS customers pay less annually for tools, and people (CAD group, IT department, integration, scripting). In the old days at Intel I was a circuit designer, however I used to spend days at a time writing my own scripts to improve the design automation of my group because our internal CAD group was too busy with their own projects to help me. David,
EDA SaaS customers pay less annually for tools, and people (CAD group, IT department, integration, scripting). In the old days at Intel I was a circuit designer, however I used to spend days at a time writing my own scripts to improve the design automation of my group because our internal CAD group was too busy with their own projects to help me.

]]> By: David http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/2009/06/15/saving-time-and-money-with-saas-for-eda/comment-page-1/#comment-353 David Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:00:19 +0000 http://www.chipdesignmag.com/payne/?p=109#comment-353 Daniel - This is a very interesting model for engineering markets. What interests me is how the business model works in reality? How is the 50% saving achieved and how can existing users calculate that they will achieve those savings before they agree to switch over? Daniel – This is a very interesting model for engineering markets. What interests me is how the business model works in reality? How is the 50% saving achieved and how can existing users calculate that they will achieve those savings before they agree to switch over?

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