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The End of EDA as we know it?

Filed under: Uncategorized — November 3, 2009 @ 1:50 am

Today (Monday November 2, 2009) I attended a special session held alongside ICCAD 2009 at the Doubletree Hotel. Paul McLellan and Jim Hogan presented some ideas on What EDA needs to change for 2020 success to a group of 25-30 people including several who blog on EDA related topics. There was a bit of discussion of the ideas presented although only a few of the attendees made comments, which was a shame.   Paul and Jim’s presentations are here, courtesy of Si2.

The biggest idea, agree on both by Paul and Jim, was that design is going to change to a “Software Signoff”, reminiscent of the earlier change to an “RTL signoff”, and that EDA is going to have to follow this change to survive. The role of FPGA in design and the growth of complex processor-centric FPGA design were also highlighted, although I asked whether there was real data that as ASICs and ASSPs decline in numbers and complex FPGAs rise, are the EDA dollars/yen/yuan/Euros following the shift? Unfortunately, there still seems to be a lack of hard data here and thus this still comes across as a prediction of change more than a revealed change.

The other thing I noticed is that most of the questions and comments, and diversions, seemed to come from people with a hardware-EDA focus, not a software focus at all (with perhaps my friend Frank Schirrmeister being an exception, and maybe myself, although I live in both worlds at once). This makes me wonder if EDA will just wither away into a small core group of tools used for the hardware design flow and linked closely to the fabs that remain, and that the new design tools of the future will come from a very different source. Certainly a hardware-focused EDA industry does not “get” software, which was commented on at the forum – and companies like VaST, for example, don’t participate in EDA related events because it does not seem relevant to their users.

Perhaps an ICCAD is just not the right forum for such a discussion because of its hard-core EDA/hardware focus. Although I later helped do an embedded tutorial on Embedded Processors, Methods and Applications: Computer Architects Perspective, with Sri Parameswaran and Anand Raghunathan that drew about 40 people to hear about primarily SW and architecture-centred topics – which was welcome.

As I have said before, I’m no Nostradamus, and predicting the future is beyond my ken, but something has to change in EDA, as the two speakers concluded. What will that be?

4 Comments »

  1. Lou Covey:

    I think it is pretty clear, Grant. It’s been said for many, many years in EDA circles that software is the future of EDA and that those who don’t understand this will not have a job by 2020. That’s why the investment community is abandoning the sector. That’s why semiconductor companies are building their own tools in greater frequency. It’s nothing new.
    Yet so many people seem incapable of dealing with it.

  2. Grant Martin:

    Lou, I agree with you. That may be why I work in the Processor IP area rather than EDA now. And there is no dearth of good ideas here. However, leadership especially from the EDA majors seems to be lacking, or if they do recognise the software imperative, it is with a fairly narrow focus or a less than ambitious vision.
    Thanks for the note
    Grant

  3. Sean Murphy:

    EDA has been experiencing “the end of EDA as we know it” for a long time. Ever since they passed Moore’s Law most tools are either obsolete or in need of significant re-engineering every two to three chip generations. It’s one of the reasons that EDA stays interesting.

    Who is doing “software signoff” now? There are firms doing “RTL signoff” now, but it’s across the same relationship model that used to be based on detailed logic signoff (i.e. ASIC vendors now accept RTL).

    Software signoff would seem to be a significant change in practice, who is on the other side of the signoff? The ASIC vendors? Or an internal group at a systems house?

    Thanks for your blog post on this, I appreciate your perspective especially as I wasn’t able to attend the talk.

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